Extremists

[Calvin]

Hey All
Something is on my mind
Animal rights extremists
An executive of an animal tesing facility had an envelope pushed though his door with no name on. Because of this the daughter went and picked it up and began opening it. The man thought it suspicious so stopped her and called the police.
It was a nail bomb large enough to level the house.
Of course this was a rare occurance but it has become common place for cars to be vandalised or burnt out.
Death threats and slander are the worst. I am right now watching a documentary on the subject in which one man had a letter send to 200 of his closest neighbors saying that he was a convicted peadophile.
No matter what, these things are not justifyable!

[Elez]

Many people confuse how the public's attention should be drawn to a subject. Sometimes, the only way to move forward is by action but going to these extremes are not aiding the issue at hand, they are in fact worsening the issue, it's actions like these that catagorise animal rights activists and make it harder for our voices to be heard.

Dwi'm yn licio blydi hippies.....yn hollol. nuff said.

[HAZ]

yeha i watched that too, a guy that jordan knows was sentenced earlier this year for visiting the house of a scientist. In my eyes no crime was commited. You have to take into consideration that the documentary last night was used as propaganda...In fact it had me in hysterics at one point when a toxicologist picked up a rat and began stroking it....if you can kill these poor creatures that mean nothing to you then why on earth would you stroke it? clearly to give the public a humane view of vivisection. However, this documentary failed to mention the gross staff incompetence and exposure of the laboratory in the past years. I am not ruling out any propaganda that animal rights organisations compose, but you must be aware that the footage taken by undercover investigators in HLS was a real life encounter of what events REALLY take place in these labs as are the pictures taken by organisations such as BUAV and PETA. Of course animal activism is becoming a huge problem to the country..the laboratory is slowly loosing companies because the truth behind the industry is being exposed, thats why such media coverage is made. The animal scientists appear to be the terrorists in our eyes, but if terrorists such as Bin Laden and many others where living locally they would certainly be targetted as are the animal killers now. I am not justifying some of the ALF's actions but there is on evidence that EVERY attack was commited by the ALF. I was incredibly disgusted at the media's coverage when peaceful protesting was brought up...We were considered terrorists for expressing our freedom of speech....PEACEFULLY!. The narrator also failed to mention the liberation involved with the ALF's missions...the animals weren't mentioned during this documentary..and as for interviewing Greg Avery... it seemed tottally inappropriate as he failed to get a word in edgeways. As for the lack of respect shown to Barry Horne made me feel sick. He was a commited and determined activist who starved himself to death whilst in prison, the narrator appeared to be mocking people's respect for this man. As for the 'terrorist training camp'... since when is self defence considered to be an act of upcoming terrorism?! even the Guardian set a more appropriate image of the animal rights weekend. The government fail to help te situation as they seem to ignore any plight for the rights of animals! so how else are people going to convey the amount of animal abuse in the country?

[Elez]

That's two threads we've made references to the media now, maybe we should start a 'media' themed thread, Ash?

[Ash]

Eleri, do you mean a 'media' themed board?

like the animal rights, and nukes etc.

Ash

[Elez]

Ash: Ieieie, u know i can compute!
Scott's modification: u wish!

[Calvin]

Another point i would like to make is that many activists ummm... how do i put this,
choose what they beleive about whatever they may be fighting against in a somewhat selective manner for example (sorry to snipe here ppl) the attrocities seen on many animal rights web sites/pics/articles are extreme cases and are not the cases in every lab in every country but merely an under-funded lab in a remote corner of Patagonia in which all employees have horns, a pointy tale and breath fire. Speaking of under-funded, who is it activists are looking to blame?
is it the government for budget cuts on rescue centres etc.? or is it the people who are probably under paid and trying to feed 3 kids and pay off a mortgage? or maybe its god.
But in my oppinion many of the pictures you see and (in some cases) base your arguments are in fact just propaganda. I reccomend you see these things first hand and taking pictures yourself in as many different places as possible.

Calvin X

[Rhi]

HAZ, how far would you go in your protests? I'm just curious and not sniping as you are obviously passionate about animal rights.

[HAZ]

depends what kind of situation i was put in. I would conduct liberations and i certainly would demonstrate because i believe this is the only way forward in hitting the government. They have let us down too many times and this is how we are striking back, not for ourselves but for the animals.
We are fighting for a better country, a country where vivisection is a thing of the past, and we have discovered that it is possible. We wont stop until it's ended, this may seem like a demand out of sight but we will stay focussed calm and determined.
As for your post Calvin, this is not the case. Compassionate people have agreed to go undercover for the animals sakes (clearly not for their own) only to see animals being explooited, killed and mutilated. I certainly dont think i could agree to go undercover and witness the events, because i would want to instantly take action. Don't you think that the pictures and footage taken should be showed to the public? The public have a right to know what happens and the companies and laboratories have no right in denying what they do. It's not only undercover investigators who discover all of this information, staff from some of these places willingly give out information because they are disgusted by the companies morals. This is how we have discovered so much about companies that supply HLS, their workers discover what disgusting event happen inside the laboratories and willingly give out information to us!
Would you seriously be happy with not knowing what happens in the world? because i certainly wouldnt feel right.



This is a dead pitbull, a fighting pitbull. This picture was taken by a humane society as evidence of cruelty and neglect.

[violet7]

Were people who tried to kill Hitler to save Jews cirminal?
Were people who worked underground to free slaves criminal?
I am against violence and not involved in activity of ALF but what made these people to get involved in as a last resort?